High Times Interviews Terence McKenna

Synopsis:

High Times Magazine, April 1992

In this interview, conducted by David Jay Brown and Rebecca McClen, McKenna responds to questions concerning his interest in shamanism and the exploration of consciousness, the social role that he sees himself playing, and the ways in which New Age philosophy differ from his notion of an archaic revival. He is asked to comment on “Francis Crick's theory of directed panspermia, the hypothesis that all life on this planet and its directed evolution has been seeded, or perhaps fertilized, by spores designed by a higher intelligence” and about “the role that psilocybin mushrooms play in the process of human evolution.”

When asked to comment about his assertion “that in certain states of consciousness you're able to create a kind of visual resonance and manipulate a 'topological manifold' using sound vibrations,” he indicates that it is his belief “that we're on the cusp of some kind of evolutionary transition in the language-forming area, going from a language that is heard, to a language that is seen, through a shift in interior processing. The language will still be made of sound, but it will be processed as the carrier of the visual impression.” He points out that the shamans in the Amazon have been engaged in this use of language for a long time through the songs they sing.

Asked to speculate on a future in which humanity has mastered space technology and time travel, McKenna suggests that “things like fractal mathematics, superconductivity, and nanotechnology offer new and novel approaches to the realization of these old dreams.”

On the topic of lucid dreaming, McKenna reports that he has had dreams in which he smokes DMT, and is transported into an altered state. He believes that “the psychedelics, the near death experience, the lucid dreaming, the meditational reveries ... all of these things are pieces of a puzzle about how to create a new cultural dimension that we can all live in a little more sanely than we're living in these dimensions.”

Responding to questions about Rupert Sheldrake’s theory of the morphogenetic field and whether “morphic resonance could be regarded as a possible explanation for the phenomena of spirits and other metaphysical entities,” McKenna states that not only are such ideas plausible, but also that “some kind of theory like that is clearly becoming necessary” in order to explain “how out of the class of possible things, some things actually happen.” Asked to comment on the new class of designer psychedelics and the fact that there are no morphogenetic fields associated with these drugs, McKenna contrasts his “spooked-out” ketamine experience to that of the mushroom. He says, “If you take mushrooms, you know, you're climbing on board a starship manned by every shaman who ever did it in front of you, and this is quite a crew, and they've really pulled some stunts over the millennia, and it's all there, the tapes, to be played, but the designer things should be very cautiously dealt with.”

Several more intriguing questions offer McKenna an opportunity to elucidate his views about the human imagination, super computers, cycles of history, future predictions, the mathematical rules that stand behind visual appearances, the symbiotic relationship between humans and plants, and the meshing of his ideas with fellow “Psychedelic Compressionists” Rupert Sheldrake, Ralph Abraham, and Frank Barr.